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I think this may be a once in a lifetime opportunity for those of you who can do it. It sounds like the 2021 IR could be different from a cross state ride. Rides in other states have formats different from RAGBRAI and TJ has hinted at a different format going forwards. This is not to say that there will never be another opportunity to cross the state twice in successive weeks, just that that might be an occasional opportunity rather than an annual one. If you are doing both ENJOY!
Well, Wadena would fit a northern route and tradition says we are due for one this year. The new leadership may say otherwise. I guess we will know in a little over a month? I now have someone I would like to visit in Charles City so that would fit well with Wadena. My desires have had little influence on previous year’s routing however although time has brought most of them to pass. Still on my list is Mount Pleasant, destination of my very first business trip as a fresh out of college Motorola RF engineer. I’m no longer at Motorola (who is?!) but still an RF engineer for maybe a couple more years, then a RETIRED RF engineer.
I am glad that IBC has endorsed RAGBRAI. A group like IBC has absolutely no business favoring one ride over another. If they support bicycling then they must support ALL rides that meet some minimum standards. I don’t know what their standards are, or should be, but there is no possible universe in which RAGBRAI fails to meet them!
This is a very good thread, just what we need right now. I hope it continues long in the same vein. Something else occurred to me while reading all the above. You know how people ask you what you would do differently if you could live your life over? Well, most definitely one thing I would do over would be to ride the first RAGBRAI and every one thereafter! I could’a, should’a, and would’a if only I had known about it….
Well, my thinking was that if anything needs to be cut this year because of the big shakeup, the gravel loop with its low ridership would be a likely choice. In itself cutting it would not save much time, effort, whatever but it would help and the outcry from riders would be minimal. Plus, it has been associated with the Hed family business and who knows what they plan to do this year? I think they were tight with TJ so will they shun RAGBRAI, stick with it, or do both?
On the other hand if Dieter is a gravel fan then we should be in good hands. Perhaps the Karras loop will be grave this year?!
I ride RAGBRAI because some friends talked me into it in 2012. I had never heard of it in spite of having lived in neighboring states (WI and IL) the entire time it has run. I had no particular desire to do it, but I did have the desire to do things with my friends so why not?
Now I do RAGBRAI because I have done RAGBRAI and I know that it is a preposterously good thing to do on so many levels. And that is a good thing because at a glance it is an utterly preposterous thing to do!
I think Bernard needs to be a little more detailed in his route guesses. What about important features like locations for Mr. Porkchop, Farm Kids, Beekmans, and (for the rest of you, not me) the beer tents? Details, we need details! 😉
My fear is that the gravel loop could be a casualty of all the hubbub this year. I am confident there will be a Karras loop this year and every year for as long as there is a RAGBRAI.
Joseph Schlau shared this link in another thread.
I did not go and I have heard curiously little about the event. Perhaps not much happened? When I opened my email at work this morning I was greeted by the latest email from PBV. They were at the event and they summarized it like this:
“If there was one theme that stood out to us today, Porkers, it was the word “stewardship.” Both Anne and Dieter referred to themselves as stewards, emphasizing the uniqueness and the value of our favorite Iowa tradition. It was clear that they take seriously the responsibility of guiding it, caring for it, and keeping it safe. Interestingly, they didn’t claim sole responsibility for that. We’re paraphrasing here, but Dieter said something like this: “I’m thrilled to be RAGBRAI’s new director, but someday after I’m gone, the success of this great ride will not be dependent on me.” RAGBRAI depends, he said, on the many communities, partners, charters, vendors, churches, non-profits, the Troopers, the Iowans who live along the routes, the RAGBRAI staff, and of course, the riders. ”
They said a little more but nothing that has not been reported in the Register announcement of the new director. Obviously their take was RAGBRAI focused, I have not heard anything about IR’s presentation.
TJ used to talk about how when he came on board the outgoing director took him under his wing and showed him the ropes, for a year I believe. When TJ left how did he honor that great gift?
TJ says he worked on IR on evenings and weekends at home between when he took the decision to leave and when he made his announcement to his employer and us. How hard did he really work on RAGBRAI’s behalf during that time? He should have been preparing those who remained behind to take over for him and putting as many loose ends as possible in order. Is there any evidence he did that?
Yes, RAGBRAI does have IP. Among other things they have a list of clients which TJ used to make his announcement and hint at his new ride. This was wrong. The list of towns that had applied for the host positions in 2020 and the applications themselves were both IP. Can TJ really claim to have not used any of that? How could he not have used this information? The only way he could have done that would have been to hire an independent team, give them general directions about what to do, and let them contact towns and develop a host city list. There is zero evidence that he did this. He almost certainly stole RAGBRAI IP to put IR together.
During his early interviews about IR he talked about all the support that he had gathered over the years and how they were committed to helping him launch the new ride. He continued to talk about the RAGBRAI nation as if he were still a part of it even though he had just nuked us. These and many other clues over the years indicate that this was a long planned move by a man who felt that he owned RAGBRAI, that he was RAGBRAI.
There are plenty of reasons to feel angry about the way that TJ left his post and tried to steal RAGBRAI from the Register while it was in a vulnerable state. There is no mystery here.
Is it time now to let go of that anger and get on with planning for our participation in RAGBRAI next year. In my opinion, yes. We have a new director who has the chops to pull this off. Both he and the Register appear committed to the event in the long run. The Register has pulled in more experienced team members than we knew about until today. TJ has simply become irrelevant. Energy spent being angry with him is just wasted energy.
TJ’s behavior over the past few weeks do not reflect well on him but he is still a decent human being who is better than the part he has played recently. I hope he is beginning to see that and to return to the honor and decency he has shown in the past. I hope he does well in the future and if there is room in Iowa for two large bicycle rides to survive and thrive then I hope IR does well too. I’m too excited about RAGBRAI’s future to waste any more time thinking about him. He can take care of himself, I’ve got RAGBRAI plans to make!
The king is dead, long live King Dieter!
The anti IR feelings here are understandable. He tries to spin it another way but the fact is that TJ turned traitor without warning and deserted us. People legitimately feel angry about that and it will take time for everyone to get over it. A few pro-IR partisans have come here to make trouble but they’re either gone or haven’t had anything to say lately. I forgave TJ the day he moved IR to another week. Others will too, with time.
OK, I will take a guess that is almost certain to be wrong. RAGBRAI will steal a page from the TdF playbook and start in Sioux Falls next year. First overnight town will be in Minnesota!
One particular news outlet is digging deep into RAGBRAI’s finances and charity contributions in order to generate profits for their own organization by digging out dirt that people will pay to hear about. I think it is important to keep that in mind. But, in the process of doing that they are asking some questions that should be asked. Whether or not they need to be discussed here is questionable but the Register can close down the discussion if they feel that it is inappropriate. Yes, it is a concern if towns are losing money when they participate in RAGBRAI and maybe both rides need to adjust their funding process to keep towns interested in participating in the future. That’s not my job however, that is the ride directors’ job.
In a report I have read one town says they spent over $100k last year and broke even. How am I supposed to discuss that? RAGBRAI paid them the standard $8500, I paid them nothing, yet they covered the difference somehow. I have no clue how that works. I realize that we the RAGBRAI nation dropped a lot of coin in their town but we did not give it to the city, we gave it to various vendors and organizations. I haven’t a clue how that works so I cannot discuss it.
But if the cities feel there is a problem then RAGBRAI and IR will need to address the problem in the long run else there will be no host cities and no rides in the near future.
At some time during the next two and a half years I will be switching over to infinite PTO mode so I might do both one year, if I am still able! In the short run I am committed to RAGBRAI this year because I want to support it fully in its hour of need and in 2022, it being #50 after all. During other years I might end up doing part of both. Three of the four members of my team have events they need to cover late in RAGBRAI week or the week right after. They would like to ride for a full week and together the two rides would allow them to have their cake and eat it too. I’d be amenable to that so that is what we might end up doing.
I’m a little surprised that some support vendors are saying that they cannot cover two rides on consecutive weeks. Apparently they rely a lot on friends and family as workers and they also have trouble getting enough PTO. If both rides survive and thrive long term then I would suppose the vendors will work out how to handle both. It’s low hanging fruit after all.
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